Hal.. I have no idea.. the lady told me they would not grow over 2 feet..(that was 5 or 6 years ago)..if I did not trim them three times a year I would have had trees by now.Cut then down and made some faces out of parts and then this past summer I pulled the roots up in the winter and carved some of them. Still still have a few in a plastic sack. Also tried a couple of knives out a few of the larger roots...not finished yet.The medical stuff is really slowing me dow..now I also have neuropathy pretty bad in my left leg, so just another thing to slow me down.